This page will detail how to defeat Malus Thorm without fighting in Baldur’s Gate 3. Malus Thorm is one of several Thorm family members that can be found roaming around the Shadowlands. All of the Thorm family members can be defeated in unique ways without ever having to fight them!
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On this page, you’ll also find information on how to fight him in combat should you fail or want to just get into a good ol’ fight.
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Malus Thorm feels like he’s straight out of Resident Evil…gore warning!
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Where to Find Malus Thorm¶
Malus Thorm is found inside The House of Healing which is found west of Reithwin Town and nearby the Thorm Mausoleum. You can go through a locked side entrance found at X: -185, Y:73. Once in this small room, read the book on the table - it’s important for later! You can also loot the chest to the right of the desk for a pair of rare Poisoner’s Gloves.
(1 of 2) Locate this door and make your way through it (lockpicking or smashing it in)
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Locate this door and make your way through it (lockpicking or smashing it in) (left), then have a quick read of this book on the desk before heading inside. (right)
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All Dialogue Outcomes with Malus Thorm¶
Once you’re ready, proceed into the room up ahead where you’ll find Malus Thorm and several creepy nurse women. After talking with him you’ll need to persuade him that his nurses aren’t ready (DC16 persuasion check). After succeeding that, there are three main ways to deal with this interaction:
Fight Malus Thorm and all the nurses.
Convince Malus Thorm’s nurses to turn on each other and then fight only Malus Thorm.
Convince Malus Thorm to lie on the operating table to have the nurses kill him (you can do this option after the nurses turn on each other too).
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Malus Thorm wants your eyes! What will you do?
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You can do the first option at any point in the dialogue by just choosing to attack or failing persuasion checks. Jump to the section below on how to beat him below if you choose this option!
The second option and third option come about when Malus Thorm offers to take your eyeballs out (lovely!). You’ll get the option here to take advantage of the fact that you read his research on the desk outside and tell him to “initiate the final lesson”, which means that he’ll have his nurses kill him and you won’t have to do any of the dirty work. The two options that result in this outcome require either a DC18 Intimidation Check or a DC18 Persuasion Check. If you’d rather, however, you could choose the option where the nurses turn on each other - this requires a high Persuasion check of a DC22 though! If you do this, you can then choose to kill Malus Thorm or have him kill himself with a Persuasion Check.
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There are three main ways to deal with Malus and his creepy nurses.
How to Beat Thisobold Thorm in Combat¶
If you’re looking for a challenge then keep the nurses alive for the fight, as they’re surprisingly powerful and have quite a bit of crowd control with their Mind Screech ability. If your characters fail their saving throw they’ll become confused, causing them to attack randomly, wander around aimlessly and sometimes even skip turns at random. Since there are several of them, you may get overwhelmed quite quickly so try to focus on them before turning your attention to Malus Thorm.
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The nurses have a horrifying scream that can cause confusion amongst your party members.
However, if you’d like to deal with a more manageable fight, try to roll a successful check on having the nurses turn on each other and then fight Malus alone. This will be a far easier fight, though he will occasionally raise one of the dead nurses to fight alongside him.
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Malus Thorm also has a high HP bar at 276 HP (balanced mode) and 18 AC, which can make him tougher to hit. He also has resistance to slashing, piercing, bludgeoning and fire damage, which means he’ll only take half damage from those damage types. You can still use these kinds of damage but expect to take a bit longer to whittle him down. You’ll find it better to use big spells that do alternative damage types to chunk his health down.
(1 of 2) Theobold has a fair few different resistances but he isn’t completely immune to any damage types
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Theobold has a fair few different resistances but he isn’t completely immune to any damage types (left), you could still use physical weapons, but they won’t do as much damage! (right)
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Can You Save the Distressed Patient?¶
Try as you might, there is unfortunately no way to save the Distressed Patient. You can stop him from being killed during the cut scene by attacking Malus before he kills him, but after getting out of the fight, you’ll only be able to interact with the patient and won’t actually be able to unlock the doctor’s table locks or heal him. The most merciful thing to do would be to put the poor man out of his misery, though it’s up to you of course!
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Unfortunately, you can’t save the Distressed Patient.
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Looking for more Thorm family members to encounter? Head over to our guide on where to find and how to defeat Thisobald Thorm.
FAQs
Let the Nurses Operate on Malus Thorm
How to defeat Thorm without combat? ›
Pay Her A Gold Coin. To trigger Gerringothe Thorm's death without battling her, you will need to approach her in the Tollhouse, which will automatically initiate dialogue. She will demand that you give her a gold coin. After you do this, she will insist that she needs more gold in Baldur's Gate 3.
How to get Malus Thorm achievement? ›
Non-Invasive Procedure
Kill Malus Thorm without him using any of his surgery skills on you. It takes two turns for Malus Thorm to use his surgery skills - one turn of setup, and then one turn using the skill. Try to disable Malus after the setup to waste as much of his time as possible.
What is the easiest class in BG3? ›
For players who are new to BG3 and want the most simplistic and easiest class to learn, they should look no further than the typical CRPG class known as the Fighter class. This is a predominant melee class that can wear an assortment of armors as well as use a versatile amount of weaponry, too.
How to get out of combat in BG3? ›
The character has to be 27m away from the nearest enemy. If they are, you can hit the red "escape to camp" button next to the "end turn" button and that character will exit combat and return to camp.
Can I avoid fighting Thorm? ›
Starting off with an honorable mention, Ketheric Thorm, as the main boss of the second act of Baldur's Gate 3, a fight cannot be avoided.
How to avoid fighting Thisobald Thorm? ›
There are two ways of dealing with Thisobald Thorm in Baldur's Gate 3. It's possible to avoid the fight entirely by agreeing to drink with him and succeeding multiple persuasion checks to get him to keep drinking. If you fail the checks or decide not to use that method, then you'll need to fight him instead.
What is the hardest achievement in BG3? ›
Leave No One Behind is by far one of the hardest achievements in BG3 as throughout an entire playthrough every single Tiefling refugee must be saved. This is not a mission contained to just one event or even act, as Tieflings need saving throughout the entire game.
What does the Malus Thorms key unlock? ›
what does it open? it opens the side doors to that office there, nothing special really. It ajould propably open the surgical table. Side door key is on table on back room.
Should you fight the surgeon in BG3? ›
The only reason to leave him be is if players are on an evil campaign in Baldur's Gate 3, but even so, killing him is much better than allowing him to continue his gruesome experiments.
Best S Tier Classes
The best classes in BG3 are Bard, Rogue, Wizard, Cleric, and Paladin, as they are the best at fulfilling their role. All five of these classes are able to accomplish their specialty better than any other, even if just by a small margin.
What is the best solo class in BG3? ›
For a solo playthrough, you want a class that excels in stealth. This maximizes the value of the Deathstalker Mantle, the main tool keeping you from being dogpiled by large groups of enemies. The two main options are the rogue and gloomstalker ranger.
What is the most fun class for beginners in BG3? ›
Fighter is one of the most versatile classes in both DnD and Baldur's Gate 3. They are able to use all varieties of weapons and armor, making them the perfect Baldur's Gate 3 class for beginners. They are also tons of fun to play as, with several of their abilities such as Action Surge adding to the enjoyment.
Should I let Astarion bite me? ›
Should you Let Astarion Bite You? Letting Astarion bite you is an easy way to get approval with him. The simple answer is yes, as the only downside is gaining the Bloodless debuff, while Astarion gains the Happy buff and his approval rating of you increases.
Should I let Volo take my eye? ›
Yes, you should let Volo take your eye in Baldur's Gate 3.
Still, successfully sitting through the Volo eye interaction rewards you with Volo's Ersatz Eye, which grants a permanent upgrade that will enable you to see Invisibility within 30 feet.
Can you play BG3 without fighting? ›
As stated before, many fights are mandatory. But there are fewer of them than you might think. Sometimes, you just need something your enemy is holding. In those cases, just stealth behind them and pickpocket; you get your important item, and no fight is needed.
How to not fight gerringothe thorm? ›
If you choose to give her all your gold, she will fight you anyway if your gold totals less than 6,000. If you give more than 6,000 gold, she'll give you the "Signed Trade Visa" and leave you alone. This item turns a creature into solid gold after three turns.
How do you beat Ketheric Thorm easily? ›
He's susceptible to spell effects like Hold Person, and he's easily knocked Prone thanks to his lackluster Dexterity stat. Team up on him, using Ice spells or Shield Bash attacks to knock him Prone, use Hold Person, and generally go all out against Ketheric.
Do you have to fight General Thorm? ›
But while players must defeat Thorm to get past Act 2 of Baldur's Gate 3, the protagonist can try to reach him one last time before the big boss battle begins.
How to remove ketheric thorm invulnerability? ›
The first step is making a character invisible, preferably through a potion rather than a spell, and silently making them approach Dame Aylin, but not interact with her. This will ensure that, once the fight starts, they are able to quickly remove Ketheric's invulnerability.
